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  1. Mahavir
  2. Master Gita Master Life
  3. 21 March 2019
If I do a job well there naturally is praise from coworkers which makes me feel happy.

But in the discourse, Swamiji says to not seek happiness from Punya (I’m assuming Punya was the result of that job I did since there was happiness)

So, how do I handle that happiness? And how do I handle praise?

For praise, I’m ok to just acknowledge it and move on, since not acknowledging it is not right either. Can credit the Lord for His instrument and His work, not mine. That is good for handling any criticisms also! But wait, is it ok to attribute criticisms to His instrument and His work?

What about happiness? Should I not feel happy?

How does the litmus test for equipoise or Chitta Suddi apply here?
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  1. Manohar
  2. 3 months ago
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Is Pratical Application not a better category for this question?
  1. Nandini
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Hari Om!

Handling praise and criticism- perception of both praise and criticism is from the level of EGO. I do a job well and get praise! I feel elated! It was "I" who did the job well and "I" deserve the praise.
When criticism comes again "I" am affected. My ego is hurt because nobody praised it. I had an expectation of praise and what I got was criticism. In both these actions, I believed in "MY OWN KATRUTVA"or doership. I worked propelled by my ego centric desire and I was expecting results that I alone would enjoy!

If, in the first place, I had performed the action selflessly, there would be no Kartrtva bhava and thus I would be equanimous to both praise and criticism. Thus the whole attitude behind action is important. Ifmy attitude had been selfless, then both praise and criticism would be taken as Prasad from the Almighty!
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Hari Om!
I would like to close this thread with the following conclusions after a brief clarification from Br. Vedji
For me this was a question of terminology of dvandva, karma phala and karma. Dvandva are also karma phala since there is apparent joy or sorrow in them. Note that in in earlier discourse, Swamiji defined "result" (karma phala) as happiness or sorrow due to good or bad actions with the intermediate concept of punya and paapa.

So, praise and criticism is also karma phala in that sense even though they are dvandva. Since the instruction is to practice Karma Yoga, dedicate the action to Bhagavan which will lead to accepting praise and criticism as prasad from Bhagavan. Conversely, If there is disturbance due to praise or criticism then dedication of actions to Bhagavan has not been done very well. Br. Vedji says don't be hard on yourself, but keep trying to dedicate actions more perfectly to Bhagavan.
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Hari Om Mahavir ji,

Yes. If you know it is a bad action then it is best to avoid it.

I was trying to see from a point of view of just performing action. If there is no doership, whom does the paapa / punya belong to?

Pranams,
Manohar
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Praise and criticism was the reaction to your action by others. How you felt was again your reaction and it might lead to further action. The end result of your action need not be restricted to completion of project / task.

Some of the actions lead to immediate results while some other may even take lifetimes. Another point is that the results are not just in the material world, you are also creating results in other planes like vasanas in the mental plane.

I think you have analyzed the flow very nicely in the diagram and it is mostly accurate. I think the intent refers to the "attitude" by which you performed the action. I was thinking about selfless action while performing bad actions. Even this is possible with characters like Robinhood (that comes to my mind). I think over period of time even their mind will get purified and they will perform fully righteous actions.

The attitude while performing the action determines the punya or paapa. If you are performing actions selfishly then you are cultivating the seeds of future embodiments. Punya means some future joy when you performed good action selfishly. If the same action would have been done selflessly then the same Punya would have purified your mind and nullify the paapa or punya embodiments and liberate you. There is the story of Yudhistara reaching heaven and finding Kauravas there but other Pandava brothers had to go to hell. Kauravas got killed in the battle and due to upholding the Kshatriya dharma they got some punya.



So, how do I handle that happiness? And how do I handle praise?

सुखदुःखे समे कृत्वा लाभालाभौ जयाजयौ।
ततो युद्धाय युज्यस्व नैवं पापमवाप्स्यसि ।।2.38।।


Having made --- pleasure & pain, gain & loss, praise & criticism --- the same (equipoised), engage in your job for the sake of job; thus you shall not incur sin.
(if I may translate for you)

Read Pujya Gurudev's commentary about Sin (paapa):

Sin in Hinduism is "a mistake of the mind in which it acts contrary to its essential nature as the Self." Any act of sensuousness which the mind pants for in the world-of-objects, hoping to get thereby a joy and satisfaction, creates necessarily within itself more and more agitations and this type of a mistake of the mind is called a sin. There is a beautiful quote - You are not punished by our sins, but by them.

How can you get this equipoise? It is determined by the buddhi or attitude by which you performed the action. The right way is to do selflessly in a spirit of Ishwara Samarpan and then be ready to accept whatever follows - Prasada Buddhi. This is crux of Karma Yoga.


Is there a choice to not feel happy or sad when facing praise or criticism?

You have the responsibility to perform action only. How you perform the action is entirely your choice - you could do it hoping for joy for yourself or as a Karma Yogi as an offering unto God. In the latter case, you will be undisturbed by whatever circumstances come upon you. Similarly, you have a choice to handle the results of action and not create further reactions (refer 2.38 above).


यः सर्वत्रानभिस्नेहस्तत्तत्प्राप्य शुभाशुभम्।
नाभिनन्दति न द्वेष्टि तस्य प्रज्ञा प्रतिष्ठिता ।।2.57।।

He who is everywhere without attachment, on meeting with anything good or bad, who neither rejoices nor hates, his Wisdom is fixed.


That is the litmus test of Chitta Shuddhi - when you have developed perfect wisdom and you are perfectly equipoised.


हरि ॐ
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  1. Mahavir
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Thanks, this helps
  1. Mahavir
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Hari Om! Manoharji, I thought about the Robinhood example some more and reached a different conclusion for the following reasons:
In essence, he stole from the King/rich people by violence although it was to help the poor. Now, if I understand correctly, stealing is adharmic which means it is bad action. Is stealing dharmic for anyone?

Though he helped others, can we say his attitude was that of worship? It can't because he was looking for karma phala (stolen goods to distribute)

It reminded me about the story of Sage Valmiki who was a robber called Ratnakar at one time. It was only when Sage Narada asked him to check with his wife if she would share his paapa that he realized his path was wrong. Only after abandoning that path did Ratnakar became Sage Valmiki!
So, I think Robinhood's actions would not lead to purity of mind at all unless he realizes like Ratnakar the futility of his actions! Injustice, though has to be countered, but there is a right way for it like Mahatma Gandhi did openly.

Does that make sense?
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Praise: When the job is done well without any expectations you will feel that I done the job rightly. You will congratulate yourself. There is a calmness inside. Even there is critics, you will not bother

Criticism: When the same job is done partially or with intention, the result may be good. But there is a sense of unfullfillment. If there is critics, you will look only to the criticism, EGO hurts.

Both are accepted or rejected by the same individual depends on the desire whuch arises at the point of the result from the action.Happiness is the state of mind.
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Hari Om! Nandiniji, thank you -- that was quite helpful.

In this particular case, I was not expecting praise at all, but felt happy anyway. There was also criticism but it was expected (context is this: I was trying to change something at work and generally everyone resist change) -- But your point still applies i.e. my happiness was tied to "my own kartrtva" or doership.

That led me to go back to Swamiji's explanation of Karma v/s Karma Yoga (attached PDF). Is this an accurate representation of what Swamiji explained? If so, I think I was making a mistake in looking at praise and criticism as "result" of my action. Swamiji says, "result" of action is joy or sorrow - So, praise and criticism in itself are actions (of others, not my own!) - Would that be right?

That leads to another question -- Is there a choice to not feel happy or sad when facing praise or criticism? In describing Sthitapragnasya that seems to be possible to be happy when tasting the sweetness of sugar or sourness or lemon! Don't know how to surrender them to God -- I mean I still feel responsible for what needs to be done in different situations which means people can/will react according to what they see and feel.
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