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  1. Mahavir
  2. Master Gita Master Life
  3. 20 March 2019
Initial instructions for meditation were to chant mantra in mind and increase space between chants.

Subsequent instructions were to be a witness of thoughts and to not be involved with them like a bystander watching vehicles. In this there was no chanting but staying aware of I am not those thoughts, not Jiva

Here, I do get involved in thoughts sometimes. To come back to being witness, I have to chant - sometimes that works and I feel peace, but sometimes chanting at that time feels like suppressing those other thoughts and I don’t feel peaceful -

Would it be correct to say Karma Yoga (for actions represented by those thoughts) was not done correctly in that case?

What else could be the cause?
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  1. GANESH
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #71
To experience the PEACE, I am forcing my mind to do the chant. When i dont experience the peace i am following the fleeting thoughts and I feel that i am supressing the thoughts.Sublimation will help to understand the fleeting thoughts.
  1. Manohar
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #72
Hari Om Ganesh ji. What is Sublimation? How to do it - can you give an example?
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Hari Om

Some say that the Rajas in you creates disturbances and this generates thoughts.

In my case, some of the deepest meditation have happened when I am physically tired after running long or after strenuous yoga sessions. Some days mind is just relaxed and meditation is deep.

I used to over think about situations and experiences and this used to affect meditation as well. I don't know about Karma Yoga not being done properly. But I think eventually practicing it properly will result in possessing calm mind. Analyzing too much would not be very helpful - गहना कर्मणो गतिः
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  1. Mahavir
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #67
Hari Om! Manoharji, Thanks - physical exertion does calm the mind and sometimes I’ve also had a wonderful sleep right after! In that sense is calm because it may not have the energy to have too many thoughts - likewise it is possible to have thoughts and simply not be aware of them due to absorption in deep meditation

Wondering if there is a difference between the two?
  1. Manohar
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #68
Hari Om - Mahavir ji - The rest or calmness you experience in sleep is definitely not meditation. You are totally unaware of your mind and body and not in control.

Is it possible to have thoughts and not be aware of it? Not possible I think. If we don't identify with the thoughts and able to go beyond the mind then there is a different kind of calm with awareness. All the techniques like chanting are to help you to reduce thoughts and become peaceful. But don't try too hard to see if you are becoming peaceful. Have you noticed that if you are trying hard to sleep you cannot sleep at all?

  1. Mahavir
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #78
Hari Om! I think that's the question --- "Is it possible to have thoughts and not be aware of it?" --- In deep sleep, are there no thoughts at all? Or are there thoughts but there is no awareness of them? I mean breathing still occurs in deep sleep and we are not aware of it!

Likewise, Swamiji's explanation of Sthithapragnasya in absorption (below) seems to indicate both i.e. He is without thoughts (part A below) and He is not conscious of body, senses, mind though they function (part B below)

Part A: when he is absorbed in that knowledge he is thoughtless -- one aspect. Second is-he is thoughtless i.e. he is without mind, all thoughts have ceased---the next aspect is he remains as the Self - ATmana- dissolving the individuality in that Atman he now remains as the pure Atman -- This kind of experience of being the pure Self is not possible without knowledge.
Part B: Is it possible to give up (not be conscious of) the body, senses, mind? Is it possible to have an awareness without being cluttered by these? That is called Samadhi. Samyak (very well) Aadhanam (placing) - Placing oneself fully is called Samadhi.
  1. Mahavir
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #79
Never mind...Swamiji's explanation on v55 clarifies all this.
  1. Manohar
  2. 6 months ago
  3. #80
Hari Om - Mahavar ji.

Can you summarize your observations and post a response / comment to this post? We could resolve this action.

This will benefit everyone.

Thanks,
Manohar
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