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  1. Manohar
  2. Master Gita Master Life
  3. 27 May 2019
Hari Om,

This topic has not been covered but checking if anyone has answer for this through study of other texts. If it is going to be covered in future chapters brief answer would suffice; although I have not come across in my quick reading.

We know that a person who has not attained Moksha (liberation) is caught in Samsara and continues to have birth and death. What is the position of the person that has attained liberation or Moksha after death? Since soul exists all the time where and how do they continue live after death of present body?

Lord Krishna says the souls come to his abode. (Don't have the verse reference now. Will post later). Is this just figurative speech or are there special lokas?

Are there different types of liberation say for Advaita Vedantins or say Zen Buddhist?

Pranam,
Manohar
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  1. Nandini
  2. 4 weeks ago
  3. #118
Hari Om!

Dear Shri Manoharji, many articles and saying by our Chinmaya Mission acharyas have stated that once Moksha is attained, such Atmas simply merge into the Brahma Loka-the abode of the Satchidananda Brahma! There is no trans migration thereafter. The drop of water has merged into the Ocean!
  1. Manohar
  2. 4 weeks ago
  3. #120
Hari Om, Nandini ji,

It would be helpful if you could post some references. Also I would like to understand it bit further.

"once Moksha is attained, such Atmas simply merge into the Brahma Loka" - I think you meant Brahman here, ie to say you become identified with अहं ब्रह्मास्मि (I am that).

But to say soul has merged will contradict what Bhagavad Gita mentions:
न चैव न भविष्यामः सर्वे वयमतः परम्।।2.12।।
Nor, verily, shall we all ever cease to be hereafter.

Also 2.24 : This Self cannot be cut, nor burnt, nor moistened, nor dried up. It is eternal, all-pervading, stable immovable and ancient.

My understanding is soul may not get birth again in the material world of 3 gunas but it has to remain in the world until it 'wills' to take up a birth again.

And I want someone to clarify on other related topics mentioned in the question.

Pranams
  1. Nandini
  2. 3 weeks ago
  3. #122
Hari Om Manoharji,

I am a student of Chinmaya Mission and my knowledge is based on whatever I have read or heard. I understand the concepts in a very simplistic way. Yes, Brahma Loka is Brahman. I am not able to post any references here due to my very limited knowledge of scriptures. Our Pujya Swamiji and the Pujya Brahmachariji may be requested for specific reference. I only comment because this is a Discussion Forum and one can comment based on one's own knowledge however limited it may be.
I will look forward for authentic replies to your queries by Pujya Swamiji in his further discourses. Pardon me if my comments have not helped you. Hari Om!
  1. Manohar
  2. 3 weeks ago
  3. #123
Hari Om Nandini ji,

Thank you for answering the queries. We are all students of Brahma Vidya and our learning does not get over until we get paroksha pramana.

Answering the questions on discussion forum requires understanding the scriptures, applying the knowledge and resolving the doubts. It requires lot of efforts and patience. I appreciate your time in doing so. I would really like simple answers.

Right from my CHYK days I have been asking questions. I like to really understand things deeply and therefore sometimes ask counter questions which might require further knowledge or study. I hope you don't mind it.

Please continue answering the questions and sharing the knowledge. It is a great service and we can all learn through this process.

Pranam,
Manohar
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Hari Om! The question implies that soul is a discrete and finite packet i.e. soul of one Jnani after liberation is different than the soul of another Jnani after liberation.

It is not like that at all. The following analogy is used to dispel that idea:
If there is a pot in a room, we think pot space to be different than room space. If the pot is taken out of the room, it appears that pot space has gone out of the room space. However space is space -- It is not that pot space is different from room space -- Its one and the same!

In other words, It is not that space is in the pot, but it is the pot which is in space. It is not the space which is moving, but the pot is. So, when the pot goes out of the room, it is not that space in the pot has moved outside the space of the room. Space does not move at all.

To put it another way, space permeates the pot i.e. it is in its walls and also within and outside its walls - That is why when the pot breaks, nothing really happens to the space within it. However when the pot breaks, we then say there is only one space i.e. there is no pot space, but might see a room space -- however, the truth is there only was one space with and without the pot and room. We mistakenly superimpose the pot and room on space and then think that space is finite and moves etc.!

Same is the case with soul -- It is always free before and after. The "merging" simply implies discovery of one's own true nature E.g. The knower of one's body and mind is the same knower of every body and mind!
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