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  1. Vani
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  3. 04 March 2019
Source of the Text ,{The Holy Geetha ,verse 22 chap II}"This worn out condition of the body is to be decided neither by its age nor its biological condition.Nor can anybody other than its wearer,the ego,decide it.Can you please explain what exactly these sentences mean from the standpoint of death.
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Hari Om Vani-ji,
"Nor can anybody other than its wearer,the ego,decide it."
Gurudev (Swami Chinmayanandaji) tells the story of a car (page 93 towards the end of last para, Holy Geeta). Car is bought for the owner, and owner decides how many days he would use this vehicle, when to discard it and buy a new one to suit his onward journey. For others the car seems still new, but as far as the rich owner is concerned, the car is not going to serve his purpose any more. Similarly the dying body may be young or old, it is decided by the jeeva to drop it. Gurudev says that from the standpoint of the ego concerned, that body was not going to be useful for his spiritual evolution, and so he decides to discard it and take a new one.
From the standpoint of death, death is only a change.
Please correct if my understanding is not right.
Pranams,
Vanaja
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Hari Om, Is it our vasana together with ego, memory of subtle sarira leave the body and acquire another body. Does it decide the tenure of life at the time of entering a new body?
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HariOm,
Although it may apparently seem like the jeeva is the one who decides when to drop the body, it is in fact the accumulated karma-vAsanA of that jeevaatma in operation that manages this. If it were true that the jeeva/ego decides when the body no longer serves its purpose towards spiritual evolvement, then suicide (taking one's own life) due to misguidance in this concept will be justified. But that is not the case. Therefore, the fructification of our good and bad deeds can be considered to be the deciding factor here.

Regards,
Mridula Aswin.
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Hari Om,
As Pujya Gurudev and swamiji explain,
The reason for our birth is our unfulfilled vasanas. When the vasnas that we were born to be fulfilled in this life are fulfilled (Prarrabdha ) than there is no more need for the body. "The mind intellect equipment finds thats its embodiment in a given form can no longer help it to earn any more experiences from its available environmentswhich would facilitate its evolutinary pilgrimage, it feels its present form to be worn out IJeerna). This 'worn out' condition of a body is to be decided neither by its age nor by its biological condition: nor can anybody other than its wearer, the ego decide it."
The changing of clothes is given as apractical example , we feel happy to change clothes when the purpose is over or for a new occasion or different time of the day. We dont wear a suit to when we go to play tennis, or when we have to take a bath.
The dress has to be appropriate for the occasion and when the purpose is over we change the clothes. Similarly the Jiva changes the body. Gurudev's famous quote every body dies but nobody dies.
This is also the explanation why some people die young. When the purpose for this embodiment is over the Jiva leaves the body. It is not because the body is old. The Jiva is not sad to leave the body. The jiva does not die only the Gross body dies.
It is of no use for the Jiva. This is why the explanation none other than the his worn out condition of the body is to be decided neither by its age nor its biological condition Nor can anybody other than its wearer,the ego,decide it.
Indeed this stanza emphasis the doctrine of reincarnation as explained in stanza 12.
In Shri Guru Smriti
Harish Shah

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Hari Om Harishji,
Very well explained. Thank you Harishji.
Pranams,
Vanaja
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Hari om . with one set of fructified vasanas one comes into this world wearing a physical body which is capable of exhausting those vasanas. Once those vasanas are exhausted irrespective of the condition of the body the jiva leaves it and so jiva is the one who decides as to how long one lives on this earth. Again, in order to exhaust the next set of fructified vasanas the jiva has to take another fresh new body designed/tailor made to exhaust those vasanas and so on."jirnani" means that the present embodiment is no more useful to facilitate its further journey even if it is young or healthy and so jiva leaves the body. Our sadhana is to learn to reduce accumulation of vasanas so that our journey to realisation becomes faster. Hari om.
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